The Waterford senior hurler's year is all but over with no wins on the board in the Munster Championship.
One game lies ahead for the Déise when they line out against Tipperary in Semple Stadium next weekend, but the players are battling for pride alone with their place in the bottom fixed in stone.
It's the second consecutive year that Waterford bow out of the Championship without making it out of Munster.
The other worrying element to the situation is the paltry performances at underage level in recent years.
The minor hurlers have claimed 5 wins in the last 26 games, while the U20s are without a win (except for one win over Kerry) since lifting the All-Ireland title in 2016.
Two former players - Brian Flannery and Fergal Hartley sat down for On The Ball on Saturday to lay out the issues, and what some of the solutions might be.